1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:28,620 Can witch doctors, hex, or bewitch their enemies to death? 2 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:32,620 What really killed this man in Oklahoma City? 3 00:00:32,620 --> 00:00:38,220 His death certificate says he died of asthma, but his doctor believes the real cause was 4 00:00:38,220 --> 00:00:40,420 more sinister. 5 00:00:40,420 --> 00:00:42,580 Was he killed by a curse? 6 00:00:42,580 --> 00:00:45,500 Literally scared to death? 7 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:50,740 Mistress from the files of Arthur C. Clarke, scientist, writer, and visionary, the scientist 8 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:56,140 who invented the communication satellite, the author of 2010, and now in retreat in 9 00:00:56,140 --> 00:01:03,140 Sri Lanka, the visionary who ponders the riddles of this and other worlds. 10 00:01:26,140 --> 00:01:41,700 These are devil dancers from Sri Lanka, which you will find in many other parts of the world. 11 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:48,500 Their rituals were designed centuries ago to drive out demons and overcome spells. 12 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:53,420 Although devil dancing is a popular tourist attraction, it would be a mistake to regard 13 00:01:53,420 --> 00:01:57,660 it as a quaint survival from a superstitious past. 14 00:01:57,660 --> 00:02:00,980 Millions still believe in it. 15 00:02:00,980 --> 00:02:11,660 In the jungle in Sri Lanka, belief in the magic that kills is very much alive. 16 00:02:11,660 --> 00:02:16,780 The sinister spells are cast in a mountain cave. 17 00:02:17,780 --> 00:02:24,260 With drumbeat and fire, the devil dancer calls on a demon to help him lay a curse on his 18 00:02:24,260 --> 00:02:30,260 enemy. 19 00:02:30,260 --> 00:02:36,220 To make sure the victim dies, the spell demands a human skull, freshly dug from the village 20 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:37,220 graveyard. 21 00:02:37,220 --> 00:02:42,940 If this bait works, the dancer is possessed by the demon, which demands mesmerized cockerels 22 00:02:42,940 --> 00:02:44,940 as a sacrifice. 23 00:02:44,940 --> 00:03:03,300 When the rites are over, ashes from the ceremonial fire must be hidden near the enemy's home. 24 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:12,140 There they'll be left to work their murderous magic. 25 00:03:12,140 --> 00:03:16,660 Taking an evil spell calls for equally elaborate ceremonies. 26 00:03:16,660 --> 00:03:20,540 This woman believes she has been bewitched. 27 00:03:20,540 --> 00:03:25,460 Paralyzed with fear, she's brought for exorcism. 28 00:03:42,140 --> 00:04:04,140 The devil dancer's job is to entice the demon from the woman's body. 29 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:19,380 Then the senior sorcerer, or Katadia, catches the demon on a thread and imprisons it in 30 00:04:19,380 --> 00:04:29,380 a bottle. 31 00:04:29,380 --> 00:04:33,460 He promises that the spell will be lifted when the bottles consigned to the depths of 32 00:04:33,460 --> 00:04:47,340 the Indian Ocean. 33 00:04:47,340 --> 00:04:52,300 In Burma in World War II, West African troops amazed their officers with stories of the 34 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:54,220 power of the juju. 35 00:04:54,220 --> 00:05:00,460 One officer, a captain, remembers a case that ended as predicted in death, Alf Lewis. 36 00:05:00,460 --> 00:05:05,540 A soldier had gone to see the colonel, asked for an interview, and asked to be sent back 37 00:05:05,540 --> 00:05:08,540 to West Africa next day. 38 00:05:08,540 --> 00:05:14,580 He had to be in his village in West Africa next day because a juju was going there, and 39 00:05:14,580 --> 00:05:17,260 he had to be in his hut when he came. 40 00:05:17,260 --> 00:05:22,420 The colonel said it was impossible, he couldn't be gone back to West Africa at that time. 41 00:05:22,420 --> 00:05:30,620 The man said, if I no go to juju, juju go down to me, I go die. 42 00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:39,140 The man had said to someone, one of his friends, that he would die next day, at midday. 43 00:05:39,140 --> 00:05:44,980 He was in the admissions tent, and he was lying on a stretch of bed. 44 00:05:44,980 --> 00:05:50,300 Young champ, perfectly fair to partner, just lying there, eyes open, looking at the tent 45 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:54,060 ceiling, the roof. 46 00:05:54,060 --> 00:05:55,900 The major said, what do you think about him? 47 00:05:55,900 --> 00:06:00,900 Well, I'd had some experience in the RMC before I was commissioned in the military hospital, 48 00:06:00,900 --> 00:06:07,900 and so I had a look at him, and his pulse was normal, respiration, breathing was all right, 49 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:09,420 temperature, no temperature. 50 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:14,340 Just lying there quietly, looking at, wouldn't answer any questions, wouldn't talk. 51 00:06:14,340 --> 00:06:20,620 The following day, about half past twelve, so the phone rang, and I picked it up, and 52 00:06:20,620 --> 00:06:22,100 it was the major from the field ambulance. 53 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:26,260 He said, do you remember that chap we saw yesterday? 54 00:06:26,260 --> 00:06:31,900 I said yes, he said, well, he's slipped away on time, stuffed as well as long. 55 00:06:31,900 --> 00:06:34,660 Died, closed his eyes, died. 56 00:06:34,660 --> 00:06:42,380 He apparently just stopped breathing, closed his eyes, and died. 57 00:06:42,380 --> 00:06:48,340 It sounds fantastic, yet there is chilling evidence, gathered by doctors and psychiatrists, 58 00:06:48,340 --> 00:06:54,860 and published in respected medical journals, that magic does work sometimes. 59 00:06:54,860 --> 00:06:58,380 Spells can bring illness, and even death. 60 00:06:58,380 --> 00:07:05,500 And this happens not only in the East, or the lands of Voodoo, but throughout the world. 61 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:10,580 In America, for instance, this family drug store is well-stocked with the weird potions 62 00:07:10,580 --> 00:07:20,220 and powders, prescribed by the local form of Voodoo. 63 00:07:20,220 --> 00:07:25,580 Plenty of products to ward off evil spirits, at least amongst the goods for sale over the 64 00:07:25,580 --> 00:07:31,500 counter. 65 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:36,460 In this part of the world, Voodoo is called root medicine, because the people believe that 66 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:44,260 some plants have magical power in their roots. 67 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:47,300 The city's doctors have to take root medicine seriously. 68 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:50,140 Dr. Ramsey Millett Jr. 69 00:07:50,140 --> 00:07:59,980 If I wanted someone to really suffer and die, and I knew this person believed in this, then 70 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:08,540 I would knowingly put in a black root bag a mixture of different things, which will 71 00:08:08,540 --> 00:08:13,140 ensure that this person will suffer and die. 72 00:08:13,140 --> 00:08:18,300 The first thing I would do would be to put a root in there, then the next thing I would 73 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:29,460 do is write that person's name down, down nine times, on virgin parchment paper, with 74 00:08:29,460 --> 00:08:33,860 dragon blood ink, put it in there along with the root. 75 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:42,380 Then I would get some graveyard dust from a grave of some dude or dootess who has committed 76 00:08:42,380 --> 00:08:43,380 horrendous crimes. 77 00:08:43,380 --> 00:08:50,460 In other words, this has to be a very bad person, whom some people say is like a devil. 78 00:08:50,460 --> 00:08:53,460 And again, you put this in the root bag. 79 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:55,180 That's the essential ingredient in that. 80 00:08:55,500 --> 00:09:02,140 If possible, again put hair from the intended victim. 81 00:09:02,140 --> 00:09:03,620 They're hair. 82 00:09:03,620 --> 00:09:07,220 Again their fingernails. 83 00:09:07,220 --> 00:09:12,620 Again some feathers, if possible from a buzzard. 84 00:09:12,620 --> 00:09:13,920 A vulture there. 85 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,860 If you want to make them suffer, in addition to just dying slowly, if you want to make 86 00:09:18,860 --> 00:09:23,700 them have sharp pains, it's best to cut a undershirt, a part of the undershirt, right 87 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:24,700 over the heart. 88 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:27,300 And this will give them pains in the heart. 89 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:31,100 Put a needle in it. 90 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:34,540 Put it inside the root bag. 91 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:41,780 And again tie up this root bag and plant it someplace on the person's property or as 92 00:09:41,780 --> 00:09:45,260 close to that person as you possibly can get. 93 00:09:45,260 --> 00:09:50,220 Root medicine flourishes, especially on the island south of Charleston. 94 00:09:51,220 --> 00:09:56,660 Traditionally, people who believe they've been hexed come to this graveyard and ask 95 00:09:56,660 --> 00:10:05,140 the spirits of the dead to help lift the spell. 96 00:10:05,140 --> 00:10:08,020 Caretaker Ben Parker knows the ritual. 97 00:10:08,020 --> 00:10:12,420 The spirit must be paid with half a pint of whiskey and nine cents. 98 00:10:12,420 --> 00:10:16,860 If I got a bad spell, I come right here. 99 00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:18,660 I dig a hole in it. 100 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:19,740 And I'll call it. 101 00:10:19,740 --> 00:10:22,020 You can see the name on it. 102 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:25,020 So you call them by the name. 103 00:10:25,020 --> 00:10:26,020 Lydia Brown. 104 00:10:26,020 --> 00:10:28,900 Then you say Lydia Brown. 105 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:30,820 I have a bad spell on you. 106 00:10:30,820 --> 00:10:31,980 I want you to take it off. 107 00:10:31,980 --> 00:10:32,980 I'm paying you. 108 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:34,340 I don't want you to do it for nothing. 109 00:10:34,340 --> 00:10:36,900 I'm paying you to do this for me. 110 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:39,500 Then you dig a hole. 111 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:44,660 Pour half a pint of whiskey and nine cents in there and cover it back up. 112 00:10:44,660 --> 00:10:49,820 After a lifetime on Edisto Island, Ben Parker knows the recipes of Root medicine and sometimes 113 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:51,780 his neighbors consult him. 114 00:10:51,780 --> 00:10:58,820 What other things would they use for a death spell? 115 00:10:58,820 --> 00:11:08,140 You can take a rattlesnake, kill a rattlesnake and drag it through your yard and I can kill 116 00:11:08,140 --> 00:11:10,660 it all of your people in your house. 117 00:11:10,660 --> 00:11:13,660 And that would be like a very evil spell. 118 00:11:13,660 --> 00:11:18,380 Yeah, that's a death spell. 119 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:22,340 Ben specializes in protecting houses against harmful influences. 120 00:11:22,340 --> 00:11:31,500 He shares Nora Estevez how to use household ammonia to ward off the magic of evil roots. 121 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:36,660 When you put this around, I just want to make sure what will you be protecting me from. 122 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:42,700 When you put this around, this will protect you from people putting anything around here 123 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:56,540 for you to pick up and if anything here, it'll eat it up. 124 00:11:56,540 --> 00:12:02,460 Here in South Carolina Root medicine creates serious difficulties for conventional doctors. 125 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:04,980 Psychiatrist Mike Lampkin works on the islands. 126 00:12:04,980 --> 00:12:08,100 He's expert at spotting the signs. 127 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:09,900 For example, I hear. 128 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:16,100 Now you notice this house over here that's got the dark blue trim around the windows 129 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:24,020 and around the door and how the posts are painted up along the front porch. 130 00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:31,260 That blue protects the dwellers of that home from the evil spirits or from a root being 131 00:12:31,260 --> 00:12:47,420 applied to them. 132 00:12:47,420 --> 00:12:52,100 Dr. Lampkin regularly has to sort out the consequences of root medicine. 133 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:56,780 Today he's been called to a patient who's convinced she's under an evil spell. 134 00:12:56,780 --> 00:13:01,180 Lampkin has learned from experience that he must pretend to be a root doctor himself 135 00:13:01,180 --> 00:13:03,580 to have any chance of success. 136 00:13:03,580 --> 00:13:11,020 I have to transform myself from the pseudo sophisticated psychiatrist into the very, 137 00:13:11,020 --> 00:13:19,220 very omnipotent and all-knowing root doctor. 138 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:22,300 The de-hexing session has all the trappings of root medicine. 139 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:25,900 Do you know the name of the person who has placed the root on you? 140 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:29,460 I don't wish to know the name. 141 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:35,020 He gives her harmless drugs which cause hot flushes and tomorrow will turn her urine bright 142 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:43,140 green, signs that the evil spirits are leaving her body. 143 00:13:43,140 --> 00:13:48,220 With this elaborate ceremonial, Lampkin hopes to convince the woman that he is a very powerful 144 00:13:48,220 --> 00:13:50,380 root doctor. 145 00:13:50,380 --> 00:13:56,140 When I draw near unto the sick man, when I examine the muscles of the sick man, when 146 00:13:56,140 --> 00:14:01,900 I compose his limbs, when I sprinkle the water of awe on the sick man, when I subdue the 147 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:03,980 sick man. 148 00:14:03,980 --> 00:14:09,300 Both Lampkin and his patient wear blue glasses, the traditional protection against evil spirits. 149 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:15,140 You have three scents from your husband, four from you. 150 00:14:15,140 --> 00:14:18,620 And you place the three scents from your husband on this side of the plate and the four from 151 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:21,100 you on that side. 152 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:27,820 Finally, when he's convinced the patient believes in his powers, Mike Lampkin gets her to help 153 00:14:27,820 --> 00:14:29,540 him cast out the spell. 154 00:14:29,540 --> 00:14:40,020 Though he says it's all a charade, Lampkin's de-hexing usually works. 155 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:43,140 You must tell no one what has taken place here. 156 00:14:43,140 --> 00:14:47,740 You may tell your husband that the problems have been taken care of. 157 00:14:47,740 --> 00:14:52,980 I want you to keep this jar with you hidden for three days. 158 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:59,860 On the third day, find a creek or river, toss this into it on the outgoing tide, toss it 159 00:14:59,860 --> 00:15:02,020 over your left shoulder. 160 00:15:02,020 --> 00:15:08,340 That will complete the process. 161 00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:11,540 But can roots affect even skeptical people? 162 00:15:11,540 --> 00:15:14,500 G. Gatti Dowling is a rational man. 163 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:17,380 He's one of South Carolina's leading lawyers. 164 00:15:17,380 --> 00:15:18,380 OK. 165 00:15:18,380 --> 00:15:23,620 Thank you. 166 00:15:23,620 --> 00:15:26,580 And bake me three copies of that too. 167 00:15:26,580 --> 00:15:30,580 Thank you. 168 00:15:30,580 --> 00:15:34,700 Yet he's convinced that an evil spell was put on his family. 169 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:37,460 It all began the day he sacked the maid. 170 00:15:37,820 --> 00:15:46,140 The daytime cook had gone in to clean up the room that Lucille, who had been our maid, 171 00:15:46,140 --> 00:15:53,140 had left and had found something in there that she called a root made up of two needles 172 00:15:53,140 --> 00:15:57,500 going one way and one the other and wrapped around with black thread and stuck into the 173 00:15:57,500 --> 00:16:01,260 head of the mattress where Lucille had been sleeping. 174 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:03,380 And I pulled it up. 175 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:08,140 And when I did, I walked back towards the kitchen and Liza saw me with a root in my 176 00:16:08,140 --> 00:16:13,260 hand and she went hysterical again and ran out into the yard again. 177 00:16:13,260 --> 00:16:17,380 Soon it seemed that the evil magic of the islands had invaded his home. 178 00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:23,500 My older son stopped breathing and was in a life-threatening situation. 179 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:27,940 I was in a very life-threatening situation with a rupture of appendix. 180 00:16:27,940 --> 00:16:35,820 My small son came down with a double dose of measles and chickenpox. 181 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:40,220 And my wife, she had this adult case of chickenpox. 182 00:16:40,220 --> 00:16:44,620 Let's say that the evidence adds up. 183 00:16:44,620 --> 00:16:50,540 I was thinking in terms of whether a jury would decide that I had had the root put on 184 00:16:50,540 --> 00:16:54,180 me and I would really have to conclude that they would. 185 00:16:54,180 --> 00:17:03,300 There's no doubt that people can lose the will to live, often through sheer fright induced 186 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:08,060 by spells, despite the best efforts of the doctors to save them. 187 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:15,420 In 1965, the British Medical Journal reported several well-authenticated cases of this amazing 188 00:17:15,420 --> 00:17:16,420 phenomenon. 189 00:17:16,420 --> 00:17:21,340 The members of the British Medical Association who wrote the letters still dine out on the 190 00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:24,420 stories. 191 00:17:24,420 --> 00:17:30,620 I have seen people in South London who were under the influence of a hex, the practice 192 00:17:30,620 --> 00:17:35,180 witchcraft, and they knew that they had been hexed. 193 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:42,260 And they would show evidence of psychosomatic illnesses like asthma or skin irritations and 194 00:17:42,260 --> 00:17:43,260 so on. 195 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:49,700 I had an extraordinary experience at the end of the war because a woman came into hospital 196 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:52,380 and I was asked to see her. 197 00:17:52,380 --> 00:17:57,540 And she said she had been, I forget whether it was hex or the witch, and that she was 198 00:17:57,540 --> 00:17:59,540 going to die. 199 00:17:59,540 --> 00:18:00,700 And she did die. 200 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:07,420 She sat up in bed staring ahead, eating nothing, nothing happening. 201 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:10,540 She was literally frozen with fright. 202 00:18:10,540 --> 00:18:12,660 And she died in three days. 203 00:18:12,660 --> 00:18:18,940 When I was a house surgeon and one of the teaching hospitals in Montreal in 1935, I had a patient 204 00:18:19,940 --> 00:18:23,060 who had had an operation on her kidney. 205 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:26,700 She had a perfectly reasonable post-operative course. 206 00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:31,580 About a week after the operation, the nurse came in one evening and said, would you like 207 00:18:31,580 --> 00:18:35,940 to look at the menu for breakfast in order what you would like? 208 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:37,500 She said, oh, no, it's no use. 209 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:40,700 She said, I'll be dead before breakfast time. 210 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:42,140 Well, I was sent for. 211 00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:47,780 And she was so certain of this that I did something I had never done before and didn't 212 00:18:47,820 --> 00:18:48,820 do after. 213 00:18:48,820 --> 00:18:54,220 I sent for the head of the department who came in and he met the professor of medicine on 214 00:18:54,220 --> 00:18:56,820 the steps and he brought him in too. 215 00:18:56,820 --> 00:19:00,340 And they both checked this woman all over as thoroughly as they could. 216 00:19:00,340 --> 00:19:03,300 They reassured us all. 217 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:07,620 And we all went to bed reasonably happy, I think. 218 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:14,020 The next morning, the nurse woke this patient up, washed her as usual, gave her the breakfast 219 00:19:14,060 --> 00:19:19,060 menu, went out of the room for four or five minutes, came back and found her lying dead. 220 00:19:19,060 --> 00:19:26,060 I think most of us can understand someone becoming really quite sick because of fear 221 00:19:26,340 --> 00:19:29,860 or anxiety or a conviction that they've had a spell put on them. 222 00:19:29,860 --> 00:19:34,020 But the actual process of dying is difficult to understand. 223 00:19:34,020 --> 00:19:41,020 And the patients who did die, the ones that I looked into, there was no cause of death, 224 00:19:41,140 --> 00:19:45,260 no real identifiable cause of death. 225 00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:50,420 But psychiatrist Dr. Roland Littlewood has studied Vuru and believes there may be a medical 226 00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:53,340 explanation for these strange deaths. 227 00:19:53,340 --> 00:19:57,660 We have some evidence which comes from post mortems carried out in West Africa on people 228 00:19:57,660 --> 00:20:00,300 who died after having been cursed. 229 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:04,220 The adrenal glands, which are two little glands near your kidney, produce adrenaline, which 230 00:20:04,220 --> 00:20:08,380 is necessary to keep your blood pressure up a whole lot of other things in your body. 231 00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:13,300 Now you get a surge of adrenaline into your bloodstream at crises, at times when you have 232 00:20:13,300 --> 00:20:15,740 to fight, times when you have to run away. 233 00:20:15,740 --> 00:20:20,780 Now it seems that in these particular individuals, after they've been cursed, the adrenal glands 234 00:20:20,780 --> 00:20:25,260 are completely drained of adrenaline, as if it had all been used up in one surge. 235 00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:31,860 As it was used up, the blood pressure then drops dramatically and the person dies. 236 00:20:31,860 --> 00:20:34,660 Is that what happened in Oklahoma? 237 00:20:34,660 --> 00:20:42,140 Here in the Odd Fellows Cemetery lies businessman Finis P. Ernest. 238 00:20:42,140 --> 00:20:52,140 He died at the Veterans Administration Hospital, Oklahoma City, in 1960. 239 00:20:52,140 --> 00:20:56,940 It's a long way from the lands of Rudu, yet Ernest's doctor, James Mathis, believes his 240 00:20:56,940 --> 00:21:03,860 patient was killed by a curse and that his death certificate gives only part of the story. 241 00:21:03,860 --> 00:21:08,700 Mathis suffered from asthma and visits to his mother seemed to trigger the attacks, as 242 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:13,140 Mathis realized after lying him out of hospital one weekend. 243 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:16,660 This was the first hint that we had that perhaps we were dealing with something a little bit 244 00:21:16,660 --> 00:21:19,300 more than just ordinary asthma. 245 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:24,700 So a week later on August the 17th, we gave him the same sort of pass, but this time with 246 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:25,700 some different instructions. 247 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:28,940 We said, please do not visit your mother. 248 00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:29,940 Go in the opposite direction. 249 00:21:29,940 --> 00:21:34,660 Go to a motel and if I recall correctly, he actually went back to the place where he 250 00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:38,940 was born, a little town west of here about 150 miles. 251 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:43,900 Came back at late Sunday evening with a story from his wife, Perkley, no wheezing, not a 252 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:45,900 shred of difficulty. 253 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:51,220 Well, this sort of trinket we thought and in his own mind he began to see that something 254 00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:54,060 was wrong, but perhaps he didn't get the physiology exactly correct. 255 00:21:54,060 --> 00:21:57,700 He said, it looks like I'm allergic to my mother, unquote. 256 00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:09,780 Phineas Ernest had been running a busy nightclub in downtown Ponca City, but by 1960 he was 257 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:12,100 bored and decided to sell up. 258 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:16,580 His mother was the partner in the business and she was furious. 259 00:22:16,580 --> 00:22:22,540 This man's mother was looked upon by him as infallible. 260 00:22:22,540 --> 00:22:26,540 He pointed out to me time and time again that mother had never been wrong. 261 00:22:26,540 --> 00:22:28,780 Sometimes she had predicted something, it came true. 262 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:31,340 For example, she had predicted that his first marriage would fail. 263 00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:32,340 It failed. 264 00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:33,980 She predicted his second marriage would fail. 265 00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:34,980 It failed. 266 00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:36,820 She predicted his third marriage would be successful. 267 00:22:36,820 --> 00:22:38,940 It was successful. 268 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:41,180 The business was the key. 269 00:22:41,180 --> 00:22:45,980 When he mentioned selling it, sometimes about a year or a year and a half before the final 270 00:22:45,980 --> 00:22:50,020 outcome, she adamantly said no in no way. 271 00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:54,220 And her words, according to him, were, something dire will happen to you. 272 00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:59,740 The memory of their last weekend together is cherished by his widow, Josephine. 273 00:22:59,740 --> 00:23:07,060 This last weekend that I had with him at the downtown Ponca in the motel, and we just had 274 00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:08,700 a marvelous time. 275 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:13,340 And he just seemed like he could never be ill again. 276 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:17,820 He, until he decided that maybe we'd better go by and see his mother. 277 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:18,820 We did. 278 00:23:18,820 --> 00:23:24,500 After we went by to see his mother, it wasn't, but a few minutes till he started having 279 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,500 this breathlessness, and I knew it was a Simon attack. 280 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:34,180 And I had to hurriedly call the hospital and tell him that I was afraid that he was having 281 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:37,020 another attack, and we'd be bringing him in. 282 00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:42,380 Once over the attack, Ernest told Mathis he was going ahead with the nightclub sale. 283 00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:46,380 After our session at 5.30, he called his mother and said, in essence, the doctor and I have 284 00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:50,260 talked this over, and I have decided to reinvest my money. 285 00:23:50,260 --> 00:23:53,020 And he was going to reinvest this money in a business that did not need money. 286 00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:56,740 And he said, we will not need your advice. 287 00:23:56,740 --> 00:24:00,460 She listened to him politely, apparently, and said, son, have I ever been wrong? 288 00:24:00,460 --> 00:24:02,460 And he said, no. 289 00:24:02,460 --> 00:24:04,820 And she said, what did I tell you? 290 00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:08,500 And he said, you said something dire would happen to me. 291 00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:10,140 She said, it will. 292 00:24:10,140 --> 00:24:11,620 It will. 293 00:24:11,620 --> 00:24:16,300 When the hour finished, Ernest was dead. 294 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:24,020 I really believe that that last call, telephone call, conversation with his mother contributed 295 00:24:24,020 --> 00:24:26,660 directly to his death. 296 00:24:26,660 --> 00:24:32,340 Autopsy showed no heart attack, no stroke, no usual causes of death. 297 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:37,780 That's why we call it a sophisticated version of voodoo death. 298 00:24:37,780 --> 00:24:43,420 These stories prove the extraordinary, even fatal, power that the mind can have over the 299 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:44,820 body. 300 00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:51,060 After listening to the doctors, I'm convinced that people can be literally scared to death. 301 00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:56,540 Yet I don't believe that spells work unless the victim knows that he's a target. 302 00:24:56,540 --> 00:25:02,100 For what kills is not any occult power of the witch doctor, but the victim's own belief 303 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:03,900 that he is doomed. 304 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:09,100 This destructive influence of the mind over the body could become a power for good. 305 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:14,660 Doctors have always known what a crucial role a patient's psychological state has on the 306 00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:17,180 progress of his disease. 307 00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:23,900 These dark tales of fear and death could lead to new techniques for harnessing the mind 308 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:26,180 not to kill, but to cure. 309 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:06,260 Magic and mind over matter.